Episode 292

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22nd Apr 2025

292: [William Young] Navigating the Waves of Financial and Mental Resilience

Are your finances stressing you out? In this insightful episode of the About That Wallet Podcast, host dives deep with expert William R. Young into the powerful link between mental health and financial wellness. Discover actionable strategies for personal growth and the crucial role of discipline in achieving your financial goals. Learn how cultivating emotional stability and leveraging community support can pave the way for success. From effective goal setting and sound financial planning to the introspective practices of journaling and the wisdom of stoicism, this episode equips you with tools to build a resilient financial future. Explore the fundamentals of wealth management, embark on a journey of self-discovery, and gain valuable investment strategies insights. Whether you're seeking guidance through life coaching principles, understanding behavioral psychology in financial decisions, building resilience, or implementing a mindset change, this episode offers practical personal finance tips for overcoming challenges and ultimately achieving financial independence. Tune in now to unlock a more balanced and financially secure life!

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>> Anthony Weaver: This episode is sponsored by William R. Young.

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>> William R. Young: Well, when you have it, this is a

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very challenging, uh, question, and

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it's an excellent question asked. We all. I, I don't

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know what the numbers were. It was like there's a large percentage of

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people, I don't know if it's 5 or 10% that are

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battling depression at any one time and then maybe 20.

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Again, don't quote me on those numbers. I'm just saying it's

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like 20 or 30 of people are always struggling mentally with

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something and when, when you, you're poor or

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you're having, you're always in a

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recession.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Welcome everybody back to another exciting show, the about

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that Water podcast, where we help the Sam's generation

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build strong financial habits so that they can spend

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money, talk about money, and enjoy their money

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with confidence. And today I have an awesome person

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who loves the wave, love to

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actually pour in the people and actually help

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them thrive in their financial

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lifestyle. And his name is Will,

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who is a cfp, APMA at,

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uh, Liberty Wealth Management,

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um, of the Amer Prize Financial

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Services llc. So how you doing today, sir?

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>> William R. Young: Great. I'm, um, phenomenal. I know it's

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a weird day to say that,

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but I, I feel phenomenal. I

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mean, really the best mental strength

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and health, so to speak, and financially, emotionally

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and mentally need all of that to be healthy in

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physically. Uh, so I thank you for

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asking. I know it's a lot of trauma though, in the market

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right now.

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>> Anthony Weaver: That is true. And one of the things that kind of

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keep in mind is that putting, ah, a smile on your face is

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optional. Uh, because that's one of the things

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that a lot of people tend to forget that, you know,

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happiness is a choice. And how do

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we deal with that? And.

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Well, because you focus on the waves of the, the market

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and also the waves of our emotion. What are the,

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one of the ways that people can kind of stay a little

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level when things become

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turmoil under them.

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>> William R. Young: Uh, I can tell you what really led me on

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this journey to figure out, like, how can

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I have the emotional stability?

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You're well aware there's a million pieces of information

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coming at you at one time and it's

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overwhelming. But that's always been the

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case. It was just different ways in the

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past. And I

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decided that I was going to get up in the morning and

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instead of just going right to the gym, I was

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going to dedicate 40 minutes of walking

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and then do listen to

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four different audiobooks, 10 minutes a piece. I walk to the

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dogs and, and I

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devote meditations to

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things outside of my normal daily stuff and

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feed my mind with

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this information. And if it was good

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information, I would then,

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um, add it to a collection of

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notes and then meditate on those so that I could improve.

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And I actually found something called brain

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pickings. She's been writing a long time, Maria

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Popov or Popova,

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and she led me to Tim

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Ferriss who then. And I know this is long, but

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it's very important. She, he, he made a audio book

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of all of Senica's writings and stoicism. And I just

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started listening and they resonated with me.

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It was like. And they talked about

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people back then There was over 300

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coliseums in ancient Rome. People always think

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of one. But there was over 300. They used that

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to keep citizens distracted. And Senica

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was walking back and he goes, this is

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distractions that keeps people from really getting to know

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themselves. So I dedicated

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this time to study myself and learn to block

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things out. You must block

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things out to work on yourself. And that's really

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what started with my personal growth about

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17, uh, years ago, roughly. And

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it's been every single day that that little

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chunk of time allows me to say, I'm not going to listen to

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this. I've gotten my fill of information today, I'll

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wait till tomorrow.

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>> Anthony Weaver: So what happened 17 years ago where that caused you

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to start looking at life a little differently?

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>> William R. Young: I'm on the spectrum. And

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one, uh, of the problems when you're on it is if someone says

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something that isn't true and you're just

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a hundred percent logic, you can't read them

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right. You're like that, that doesn't make any

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sense. But that can be very

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confrontational, which is a problem.

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And I was like, why would someone tell me

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butter is made of peanut butter? Like it just

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to, to me that's how I saw it. Like

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that's be when someone says something

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to you directly and it's in the market related, you

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have all these biases and

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I couldn't understand it. So I said, I need to

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figure out one, how to have mental fitness,

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mental stability. Stoicism resonated with me. I

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found it purely on luck through Tim

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Ferriss. And you know, I learned there's three parts to

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it. And the first part is Virtue, Excellence and the

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dichotomy of control. Now you

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hear lots of books since then, such as Victor Frankl

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wrote about it and you said it right at the beginning. I appreciate

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that you control your attitude and smile.

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Keep saying it, keep saying it, keep saying and that's

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essentially said, control what you can control and then

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don't allow things outside your force

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to upset you. Yes. You can be concerned.

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Yes. And so once I dedicated that 40

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minutes in the morning because it's peaceful. So I get

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up at four and. And when.

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When I'm walking, I do it even when it's cold, even when it's raining.

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The dogs. I have rain jackets for the dogs. They look great.

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They're very fashionable. Um, I got

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the North Face dog, or dog face, it's called.

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So, you know, we get out there, we. And we walk.

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It's solitude. There's nothing out there. It's dark,

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it's quiet. Everyone needs time to

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themselves, whether you're a mother, father,

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or you're busy, you're dedicating to

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improving the mind, which is a gymnasium.

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That must be worked out. And once you do

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that, and I just. They just start getting

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into the marrow of your bones. You

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change. And that's essentially what happened. It took

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time because I would read it over and over again. And,

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um. And I'm not smart. I'm just disciplined.

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And I think discipline is more important

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than talent. Because

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you've never heard someone say,

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well, that, uh, let me say

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this correct. You've always heard people say that he's talented, but he didn't.

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He didn't accomplish what he should have. But when you said, somebody's

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determined, they

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accomplish what they want. So determination

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and discipline are more important than talent.

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>> Anthony Weaver: And one of the things that I come across a lot,

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uh, a lot of people say, like, certain people are lucky

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to get to where they are. And I was thinking,

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actually, I heard somebody talk about this on another podcast, was

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saying, is that people, their success

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is chosen by somebody else,

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meaning there's somebody who always is better

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than you in these different aspects so that they

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can run faster, they can read faster, they

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understand math faster, or

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whatever it is. But

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it had to be somebody on the opposite end

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that had the opportunity to say,

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I want you to be

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on my team, or I want you to

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succeed. I want to give you this amount of money

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to reach your goal. Um,

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and it kind of creeps in that imposter

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syndrome of why me

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in their finances or in their

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life? And how do they kind

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of navigate that mindset of

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that, like, it's okay to be

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chosen out, um, of the rest?

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>> William R. Young: Well, I think

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your question about chosen, there's multiple layers to that.

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The first part is you have to figure out what is your

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personal goals. A lot of times we wake up in

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the morning and we go to work. But, but we haven't written down

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what our goals are. What do we want to accomplish?

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That is very important. And I know the

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younger version of me is now dead in, in the morgue,

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so to speak, but I write my goals down. It's so

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important to write, to journal, even

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if it's a little bit like, I got up struggle

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today, I cheated on my diet. I didn't want to do

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that because you, because we're all human

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and putting out your failures are just part

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of helping you attain your goals. But

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you have to write your goals and figure, like,

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where do I want to be? And it's really hard to

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do in your 20s because you're like having

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fun. You know, you have all this energy and you're

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not necessarily married with kids yet. That's.

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But you know, you know, we all remember, um, that in our 20s

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it was very easy. You wake up, you're not tired, you went out the

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night before, you get up, you know, you're like, what are we doing tonight?

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You're, uh, always running around, you know. But as

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you, but when I start to talk to people and when I meet people,

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regardless if they're working with me

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or not, I said, we, let's figure out your goals.

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You and you write a plan. And a lot of people like, I'm too

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young to work. I'm like, we need to figure out, is it a home

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in two years you need, do you, you know, do you need

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a car? And people are like, I've always wanted this. And like, maybe

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that's something. Let's get, let's get your needs

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done first and figure out your wants and

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then your dreams. So if you break things

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down like that, my, my

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dream is I want to, I want to be

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surfing and have a place in, in say, Costa

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Rica and work from there a lot

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because I enjoy floating in the water. And when you're in

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the water, there's a peace. So I know what my goals

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are. And, and it's really

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tranquility in a world that seems so. And

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I tell clients that and I share mine. I think important when we're

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having this conversation, you share your goals

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and you ask what others are seeking.

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And really when they know what you're trying to do,

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you get a real sync up with somebody

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because they're like, oh, okay. And I think that's where comfort

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comes in. So. But initially it starts on your

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own and writing down your goals.

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And then once you write down your goals, you

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want to work with an advisor who does financial

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planning 100%. And I

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think it's going to be more important than ever because the news

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is just too overwhelming. And.

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And I had a lot of conversations yesterday

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and Thursday, but I had planned for this. So I

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had been effectively forecasting them for their

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goals. Like, there's going to be things. These are going to be our

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goals. And I think clients like to know

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that I know their goals. But then also we can see that they wrote

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them down. And we're like, hey, we're in line. We're in line.

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We're a little ahead of where we expected. And we're

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just. So there's. There's multiple layers to.

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To the goal setting. But I set goals

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not just in the year, but when they come to me. And

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when I'm walking, which is what you kind of. I'm, um,

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sometimes thinking, and I've had an idea in my head, and I'm like,

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oh, and then you can write it down on your phone. And now you.

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You have a goal. So you write down those goals. Everybody, when

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they come to you, you can always

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change what your goal is at any

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time.

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>> Anthony Weaver: So it goes back to controlling the controllables, right?

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>> William R. Young: Yes, correct.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Um, and we. Because we were talking down

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before, when the market is down, you had a goal of to make

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a hundred thousand. Now that the market is down, you're like, you have

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a goal of 200,000. You want to lean into that a little bit more.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah. So that I, you know, I try to have a little humor.

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There's some funny things on Twitter or other places, and

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there's a fake account called Not Jerome Pow.

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And it's pretty funny. And

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it goes. My goal was to make a hundred thousand. Now it's

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200,000 for years. Because you

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have people that are trying to chase

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something and they try to make money too fast.

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We've Human nature, and this is why

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stoicism, or going back to Seneca or Marcus

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Aurelius or Xeno or

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Cleantheses. Everybody's always

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tried to make a quick buck. It's human nature to do

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that. Um, maybe it took a little longer than.

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But they wanted it quicker than everybody else.

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That's. That's how we've always been wired. And there's

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some really great stories. In the late 1800s in the

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US they had Bucke shops, which were

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fake New York Stock

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Exchange trading places where you could literally gamble and

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stuff. So there's all kinds of. We've always done it, and

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it was just a tape ticker coming out and Stuff like that.

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And they did it over the uh, Western Union

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wire. So people were always trying to make a quick

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buck but you can't

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successfully over time do that. You can

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kind of get lucky. But with investors I try to

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share what is our goal

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and then if we get an opportunity, and this

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is where I talk about strategic investing,

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I tell them, let's be patient.

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There's going to be events that happen so we

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always have some cash. So right now, even if

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you are my most aggressive person, I have you in

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30% cash which looks, I know

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it looks brilliant right now and that's why I'm not

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stressed. But

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there are going to be opportunities because I told them earning

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seasons coming, Walmart might say something funny.

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Google. And I'm not recommending, I'm just saying Apple might say

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something.

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And Apple drops 20%. There's always these things that are

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coming up and again there are so

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many unknown unknowns ahead that your

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attitude is like, I'm gonna work with somebody, I'm

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gonna find somebody, I'm gonna be patient and wait. And

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that patience boils down to stoicism

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or some type of philosophy where it's going

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to come. And I, I told my father, dad, I'm

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excited, there's going to be things coming.

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And I tell my clients and they hear my attitude and they're like,

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why are you so positive? I said, because we have this money setting.

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I'm not going to sell Amazon. A ah, year from now Amazon's

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going to be okay, I'm pretty sure. And I'm pretty sure

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Walmart will be in business. And I'm pretty sure

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about certain things. But

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having the right attitude and knowing I got some money and

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I'm not leveraged means that people can go

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into this thinking, I know I'm down, my

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portfolio doesn't look good, but we're going to look at

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things because all year long there's going to, we don't know what's going to

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happen, but we know there's going to be some crazy. I know there's going

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to be some craziness and I think they feel really good about that

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because we have a plan. And

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you know, I, I haven't been, I'm um,

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not positive on people running things, but I

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know I'm um, positive on there will

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be positives ahead to look forward to. The

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mentality of that is very important.

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>> Anthony Weaver: So you mentioned the mental side of the house.

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Um, especially in the time of need right now

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far as people just kind of, they, they need answers, they trying to look for

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a way forward. Would you recommend

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therapy first before seeing a c. Uh, a

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CPA or a CFP such as yourself?

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>> William R. Young: Well, when you have.

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Ah, it. This is a very challenging

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question, and it's an excellent question asked.

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We all. I. I don't know what the numbers were. It was

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like, there's a large percentage of people,

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I don't know if it's 5 or 10% that are battling

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depression at any one time, and then maybe 20.

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Again, don't quote me on those numbers. I'm just saying it's

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like 20 or 30% of people are always struggling mentally with

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something. And when. When you. You're

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poor or you're having financial problems, you're always in

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a recession, and that weighs on you too.

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I don't. I can't necessarily

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tell someone what they need, but I have went through

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therapy, and I am now in something

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called the Social Edge by Blake Eastman, that

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we're going through human emotions and

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behaviors that I'm always in. I'm always getting coached

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myself, even if I'm a coach across the board,

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because I need to get

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motivation and see things, and if I'm wrong, I need to be

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told and held accountable. So I'm doing that type of

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stuff as well. So I would

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say you could use a therapist. You. You might have

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some type of coach. It doesn't mean the coach you find is

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good, but try to. To get things

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outside of your normal peripheral.

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Because the mistake we often make is we're just

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connecting with people in our little social circle.

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Go outside of that safety zone and

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find somebody, whether it's. And talk

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to them, and then figure out if they're working, because you'll start to

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uncover and unpack all those things. I don't know if that's

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a licensed therapist, which it may be, or it might be a great

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coach, but that's how you develop the inner

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citadel, by figuring out who you are,

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and that is powerful. So, yeah, I

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definitely recommend going across and talking

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to different people. Coaches and

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I cast a wide net. I wound up talking to, like, 12

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or 13 different people, and then I found two that

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I liked. And because

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you're. My personality can be

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quiet or it can be very boisterous. It just

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depends on the person I'm interacting

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with, so to speak. And.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah, I was. Sorry.

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>> William R. Young: No, no, no, please. That's a great question. Wow.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah, because I'm thinking of, um, again,

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we mentioning finding your peace.

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Uh, and I think a lot of the times we forget

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that plants grow the fastest when it's the most

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quietest. And when you got all the noise

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and if you ever notice when there's a lot of foot

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traffic on grass, the grass doesn't

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grow in there because the environment is too

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volatile for it to even thrive. So when it's left

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alone and it's quiet, they can do that

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thing. And usually everybody was like, man, you growing

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like a weed. But when you think about it, the

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weeds only grow when you're not looking. Every

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time you look at it, just look like it's there, but

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it's just a moment in time. As soon as that sun goes down, it's

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sprouting up again. So it's going back to like how

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you said that reset. That's necessary that we all have

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to have. Um, and finding that quiet in the

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noise. And you said like 4:00 in the

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morning. I'm trying at 4.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah. Now,

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what you said. And I love the garden metaphor, the plant

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metaphor. You need darkness for the plants

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to grow. Yes. They need light during the day for

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photosynthesis, but any great garden

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also needs you to go in and pick out the weeds.

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So that's why you need to be inside your head

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if you want to have a wonderful garden. You got to go and you got to

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water that, and that is going and getting the knowledge in

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and then the knowledge to pull out the weeds and the bad

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habits. That. The garden metaphor is perfect

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because. And then you go through seasons of change.

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They. Some bloom at certain times. And

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that's why you need to be inside your head and pick out the

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weeds. And you. You need your

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sleep. That is, the plants can't grow if it's

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just sunlight all day. They need. They need. And that's

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essentially the cycle of sleep. Well, and

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if, you know. And so there's a lot of pieces to that, but

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I. I love the way you use that.

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You need quiet time so you can grow. Plants can't grow

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if they're walked on all day.

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>> Anthony Weaver: I got plenty of plant metaphors there.

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>> William R. Young: Okay, good. No, it's true. Because we're very

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much like that, you know, and we're at our best at certain

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times and, you know, certain times,

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you know, in the morning, the sunlight might be better for

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certain plants. And whatever the case, it, um,

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or certain temperatures. But I. I like palm trees.

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I have a ton of palm trees in my house. And they like warm

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weather and I do too. I

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don't like this cold, we weather, so. Yeah. Right.

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>> Anthony Weaver: But it goes back to where you talk about finding your tribe, finding a

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community because if you notice only certain plants

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can grow in certain climates. Um, not all

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plants are welcome in that particular climate. Like I can't grow

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an orange tree in the Arctic. Like it's just not going to happen

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no matter how many times I try. You know,

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it's, I'm saying like I got tons of metaphors

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with this because that's

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funny, it's fun.

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>> William R. Young: Uh, but it is true. It's absolutely true. You need to find your

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community. And nowadays I'm finding

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people through different social

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circles.

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Like I'm talking to someone in la, uh, in this

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group I had someone who's a pianist who trains people

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and I forgot the name of the big school in New

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York. And then I'm talking to somebody who grew up in a

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little farming uh, community in Israel,

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now lives in um, uh, California.

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And I've found my tribe and they're all over the place.

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And I did international internship program with

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students for about 10 years. And

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so I've connected with certain students on a higher

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level. One of them rule, he's born in

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the Netherlands but he's living in England. And so I'm, um, I

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have this connection and as I went surfing

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that's really brought me out to be

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me because I have friends that I can

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talk to. I'm, I was sending someone a tick

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tock in Berlin. She goes, bill, you know, I don't use tick

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tock. I'm like, you're the younger generation, I'm the

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older one. And that community is helpful

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because you can also communicate with them on a deep. So you don't

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necessarily just to have that, have them in front of you. And you're right about

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that, that's very, very powerful. Thank you for,

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for saying that, getting your community

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correct.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. Um, and one of the words that I

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try to change the, the terminology against

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it which is poor versus broke where

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broke is a temporary. It is

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something that you're in the moment of. And

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poor is more so focusing on the mindset.

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Um, because like you said earlier, if you're in that poor

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mindset, yes everything's going to feel like it's always

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against you. You're not going to see those opportunities

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of growth through that, through

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that shine. But if you just understand like, hey, this is just a

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temporary moment in life where

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you at then you can always see, try to find

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that opportunity and look at the things that you

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can control. Um, what are your thoughts on

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that?

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>> William R. Young: Well, it's well said and there's a bias called

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learned helplessness where people

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often are Surrounded by

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other people that keep them in that

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area where they, they feel like they're helpless, they have no

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control. And that's not their fault

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because they were maybe born into it or uh, wound up in

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that. And I think the

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effect of, it's called the Pygmalion effect, where people

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are telling you you're not good or, and you can

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have, uh, that does affect us.

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And I realize that when you're in those,

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it's really hard to break free. That's why

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obviously you have people who aren't that smart

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but who were born with wealth, have so many

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advantages or white, uh, privilege or whatever the

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case. You have these. But we all

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psychologically have to try to find that.

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And I hope your podcast and we can reach

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people and let them know regardless if we were in a

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better situation or not, the attitude

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and what you can control is

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you. And that is, it may be

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hard because you've had a mindset that

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isn't growth minded because you've had too many

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people, um, destroying your

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plants, you know, your growth and putting you

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down, but you got to get away from them. And that can be

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hard because that's all you've known. But

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that is the single most thing first. You

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come first. It's not that you're selfish. It's

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that if you don't water your own plants, if you don't

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grow your mind and work your mind out and your

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body, you're not going to be healthy to do anything

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great that you want in life. And that's really where it

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starts. And then you can start saving money, you can

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start figuring things out, having healthy relationships, which

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are all part of the, you know, the behavioral psychology

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of money. You know, healthy relationships

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allow you to not be taken advantage of, you

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know.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Stuff like that and

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understanding where you, where you want to go.

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What's. I like how we pretty much

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putting everything forward to build upon,

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um, from the very first, uh, moment of

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this conversation, which is

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we need to find our peace. Yes, we need to

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find it. And sometimes finding our peace, meaning we might have

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to change environments. Like uh, you said with the palm

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trees you have, they like the warm

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weather.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah.

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>> Anthony Weaver: You're not going to do well if you move up to like

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Connecticut or something like that. And you now you got a high

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bill because you want to keep your, uh, your palm trees.

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>> William R. Young: Correct. Yeah. The environment

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matters and I, I hope everyone

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who's listening says I need to make sure

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I'm in the best environment. And I've had to let

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go of friends Because I'm going there, here,

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and they're here. And it's. There's no

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hard feelings. It's you. They're

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pulling me down. And you have to realize

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you come first. And that's where the mindset,

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stoicism, talks a lot about it in

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wisdom, knowing what is in your

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control and then

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executing that. Uh,

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you have to really think, like, if I bring this person in,

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they want to go out and have beers on a Wednesday night. I

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got to get up early Thursday because I got really important plans.

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Or they just want to watch a football game a day.

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I want to do some healthy stuff off the couch. I want to

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run or go to the gym. So those are little tiny

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decisions you make where they have profound

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impacts on your life. And that's.

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That's where you need to find the right community.

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Once you find them, that's how your life starts to change.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. So how did you find that power of

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know, then? Because, like you

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say, we got to find those boundaries, but how do. How do we

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practice that?

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>> William R. Young: Well, that's. That's very,

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very profound. I put it in my

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reminders on my phone. It reminds me every day,

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you have to say no. You have to

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say no. And that means not

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checking the market. That means

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at certain times. That means not taking calls

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at certain times. The power to build your

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calendar. That is in

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work. I built my calendar

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because that's. That reveals your truth

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of who you are. So when I'm in a meeting, I'm

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not doing other things. When I'm doing trading, trading, I'm not

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taking calls. So everything is built around

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that. And then when I get to my. My

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day ends earlier than most because, um, I'm mentally

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tired. And I tell people this.

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When you say, I'm done for the day, don't

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take calls because you have what's called

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decision fatigue. And you. You're

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not at your best. And you have

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to have the mental fortitude to put in and say, I

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will put this in my calendar tomorrow.

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So, uh, I'm saying no now.

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M. And I know a lot of people that just feel like they gotta

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respond right away, but I don't. Because you're not at your

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best. It's like, you know, you've worked

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it. Uh, you've done all this stuff all day, you've already ran. And then you're

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like, you think you could run as well at the

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end of the day that you didn't know? Of course not.

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And that's. That's where you have to organize

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things. So you're going to do it. And once you

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get those behaviors and they feel normal, but until

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you do that now, it won't feel normal.

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People say this to me as I train people. Uh,

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you didn't check your emails yet. I'm like. Because I

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checked them at 4 and I checked them at 10.

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I can't. I have to say no to all these

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things. And then I'm very efficient, and people

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get the very best of me because I'm in

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with them. I'm not checking my phone. I'm not looking around.

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I'm not sidetracked. You will be better, more

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efficient, and reach your goals quicker. When you

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say no, that is. I, I. That brings every

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single morning say no 25 times today.

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>> Anthony Weaver: I like that one.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah, it is. It is weird. I, I've never been

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asked that question before. That is. That is

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powerful. But it is what I do. I, I hear that

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people say all the time.

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>> Anthony Weaver: So when it comes to. Because I, um, noticed you mentioned your

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father. How has he been impacting your

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financial journey?

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>> William R. Young: My father has helped

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me through all of my financial

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mistakes. Very few

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people could have that happen. Now. I'm not saying there were a lot, but

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my father has been there for me. My father is

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a saver. He's. He's very

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disciplined. I was

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not when I was younger. I didn't really start

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in this field until I was

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32. So I've been doing 21

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years. So I've been 21 years in the field. And it

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took me time to understand that because.

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And that's also part of my message is you're not

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locked into anything. You

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can change and pivot course whenever you want. My

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father helped me get a

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job out of college and stuff like that, but I wasn't happy.

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And he didn't. He was okay with me switching

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careers. So my father has been very helpful

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for me. And even when we

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had disagreements, those

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disagreements, I took them as positives to

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change who I was. Because I can't change

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him.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Right?

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>> William R. Young: Not, not that I need to or want to. I'm not saying that as

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a door, but once you realize you have to be

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your own person. Like, my dad's very happy for

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me now, but he might not have

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necessarily been happy the time when I made a

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career change, because you. You're literally starting

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over. But my dad has been very impactful,

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and he helped me financially to start my business

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and stuff like that, which I realize

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is not something a lot of people get, and I've never had

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anyone ask that. And I've never, ever revealed that before,

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but I am very lucky, and I love him for that, and

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I tell him that. And he's not somebody that likes

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emotions because

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he's in the older generation. I'm like, I'd hug you right

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now. It's like, you don't need to do that.

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Yeah. But anyway, I think it's important

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when you listen, you. Sometimes people want to be

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helped. Sometimes they want to be heard, and sometimes they want to be

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hugged. Those are my threes. Help

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tug their herd.

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>> Anthony Weaver: I like that because to me, the hug could be a

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verbal hug. Um, just saying thank

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you.

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>> William R. Young: Yes.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Um, and for me, I think a lot of people

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don't say thank you enough as they. They like

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to correct ah, even though they want

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to be heard sometimes, like, an attaboy can

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go a long way. And I'm thinking from people who are in

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leadership who are afraid to even say

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thank you, or, hey, team, good job.

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But it's a difference between. All right,

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I'm gonna go back. I'm sorry. Because I'm an elementary educator, so.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah.

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>> Anthony Weaver: One of the things is that, um, in my

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teaching career, I used to teach

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was that we actually had to

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understand to give thanks

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and actually say no to an action,

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not to the person, so that they can

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understand this is a, ah, bad action. Not that

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you're a bad person. And thank you for

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doing a good job on this

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activity. Not that you're just a good

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person.

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>> William R. Young: Is that correct? No, that. That is

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important. I think we often don't share

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that. And that's why I got into a

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lot of this stuff, because I would just say no, but I

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didn't give them the reasoning behind it.

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I wasn't saying no to them. I was saying no to the

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time that they wanted

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to do it or no to the event they wanted to do,

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not to them as a person. And that's

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oftentimes, like, now, that's not something I enjoy

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anymore. You know, maybe we can agree on a,

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um, musical or something like that. I love musicals.

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I love music. Music makes me happy. And I love the violin, which

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is odd, but. Yes. And as you change,

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you're not saying no to the person, and I think that's

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important. And you can acknowledge I appreciate being

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asked because it is nice someone's thinking of you,

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and you should acknowledge that that's really,

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uh, a, um, major part of having a strong

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community. Because a lot of times people don't say thank you, and.

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And you can build resentment from that.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. And it's. It's sad because even I think it

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was, um, it wasn't Meryl Stree. It was

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somebody that I saw on, I think, uh, on Instagram.

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I was just flying through Instagram and, you know, team

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scrolling.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah, we all do it.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. It was a celebrity that felt

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so bad because her mother

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resented her saying, like, hey, you did not thank

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me when you got your award 30 years

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ago. But when they looked at the

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recording, she actually did think her

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mom, her mom didn't hear it. And so

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all of these years, she felt so

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bad that she did not thank her mom. But

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now that the recording came out to show that

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she actually did, it's almost like,

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wow, like, these emotions, all they had to do is just go

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back and look at the tapes.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah.

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>> Anthony Weaver: And, and I, uh, I think that's something that we miss in

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finances is to really look back

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at, like, hey, you did your best you could with what you

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had at the time, and it's okay.

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Like, you can still change and shift from that

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perspective.

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>> William R. Young: It's resiliency to one look

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at yourself and then you got

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to dig deep and then go back and say,

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yeah, I made mistakes, I did these

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things, I apologize

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for them. And, uh, you know, to yourself

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and. But you, you change because now you're doing

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the growth steps. You're investing 10%

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of your income. You're. You're putting money into

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a Roth now. You're not taking

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the high risk stuff. You're using indexes, you're

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working with an advisor, you're selecting some

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stocks that align, uh, with your personal

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goals and also some that you think could grow

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over time. And you, you're, you're starting,

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and then you start to really build, like

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a mental fortitude and strategy. Because we all need

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strategies in life.

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We need to figure out how we're going to take things. And,

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you know, I handle the finance side. Just like when I'm going

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out to a wave, if I see the size

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of it, I got to figure out what is the channel to

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get out so that I don't get. I don't hit 10 waves

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in a row. I. Or, uh, learning how to duck

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dive, which is really fun. You see people

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when we dive under.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Oh, yeah. Okay.

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>> William R. Young: Because until you learn that or you have too big a board, you get

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hit hard, and it's like, it's like,

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why would I ever do that? And so these

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are the types of things like you said is,

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um, going back and looking at your past may be

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important and resolving those issues, but

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also saying, I'm not that person anymore

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apologize or. Or work towards what your goals are in the

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future. That's a really good thing because people do have

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resentment. And you don't want to resent yourself for not

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making decisions because let's say I. I'm 10 years

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behind on where I should have started. That's okay

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because. But I'm happy now.

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>> Anthony Weaver: And because it's bringing up so

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many. I like this conversation as. As I'm going

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through my journey now, get pulled back on more things that I've came

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across from different conversations.

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Is that the

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comparison to somebody else's

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lifestyle? Like, you look at some of these celebrities who are like, younger

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than you are, but making all this money. M.

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But you don't know that backstory until they write a

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memoir of, like, how their parents were beating them or

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the other things that's happening from

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the producers or executives that were part of their

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journey, the things that they had to go through to get to where

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they are today.

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Um, and, you know, that's the reason why I was

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asking about your story is because it's like those

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are sacrifices that you've made to get to where you are

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today. And is somebody else willing to

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make those same sacrifices? Um, so

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that comparison piece, like you we were talking about earlier,

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this is the, um,

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really taking the moment to understand

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your life and not looking at others. So how

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can people put their blinders up to kind of ignore

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that?

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>> William R. Young: I bring a lot of this back to the psychology and

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the stoicism. You need to have something

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to keep you focused. Some people naturally are

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born that way, but I think we all need to train.

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It's like running or fitness. You may have

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ran in the past, but that doesn't mean your

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Cardio is good 20 years later.

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And the mental journey is requiring you to do

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this every day. And you might get better at it, but I still

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dedicate 40 minutes a day to it. I'm better at it, and I

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can put more in there. But the second

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you stop running, so to speak, or working out

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or eating healthy, that those

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behaviors are done. So this is a lifelong habit

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to doing, you know, to.

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To living this way. And I think we

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have. That's why you have to write down your goals and stick to it. But we

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all go on vacation, we eat too much, or we have other

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things come up. But realistically,

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you. You have to follow some type of pattern for a long

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period of time. And with investing

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or really the

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attitude stems, everything can be, I say with

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stoicism where. Or psychology. If you see a

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psychologist Or a therapist. They can also help you do

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that at work with somebody

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to really build some emotional

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intelligence across the board. I think I'm answering

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your question, but that's kind of.

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Those are, uh, those are where I'd start as the emotional

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intelligence is based on

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my stoicism and psychology that I've

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studied for that.

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>> Anthony Weaver: So I'm gonna do a quick round of questions

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because obviously it's a financial show.

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Um, and I know we've been dabbling into it, uh, because

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I want to go to the third segment and then the final four.

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>> William R. Young: Okay.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah, I just wanted to do a rapid fire, if you don't

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mind.

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>> William R. Young: It's great. I love it.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Okay, so, um, talk about the sandwich

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generation. What are the top three

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questions that, uh, somebody should have a

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conversation with that child?

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>> William R. Young: I think

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when right now there's a lot of challenges for

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people for trying to buy a house.

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They seem expensive. You're seeing people

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stuck longer with their parents and stuff like

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that. Think you want to have a, uh,

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financial education. You want parents.

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And hopefully the parents have some financial education

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because when, you know, when they grew up, they could

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buy a house easily. They could buy a

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car. Everything was affordable, and

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it's not affordable. So you. We have m.

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Much bigger hurdles

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now, and I think trying to get people

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in the right frame of mind saying, you need to

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save no matter what. I know it's going to

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be harder to do certain things, but, uh, with the right

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attitude, you could be in a better position

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than if you have the wrong attitude and start saving

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earlier. I think that's very important. I was able to get my

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house right before the

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things went up and I realized I was lucky with

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that. So I think kind of

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just starting, save your money,

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pay yourself 10% right off

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the bat is where it would be. And don't be discouraged by

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a lot of the challenges we're facing. Because I hear a lot of people

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say, I can't afford a house. They're so expensive. The mortgages

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and homeownership is, is fun

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to own something, to, to put your head

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down. So that's the first thing I always start at

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with, with that is because that's a big goal for almost

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everybody. Homeownership at some point.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah.

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>> William R. Young: Uh, and that's where a lot of wealth is tied up. And it seems unattainable

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for a lot of people sometimes now.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. Um, but going back to

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those sacrifices, like, yes. Are you willing to

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sacrifice?

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>> William R. Young: Yes, it is. And then of

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course, one of the other things is parents need to

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Talk about the retirement accounts. Even if you're

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working, if parents can help you, you can

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do Roth IRAs. Roth IRAs

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are, uh, a great way where you say, look, we're going to put some money

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here. And this is where you don't want to

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gamble with this type of money. You want to use

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index funds. You can use technology,

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obviously, or, or whatever you like, and you

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can add some stocks, but you want to have them talk to you

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like, these are long term. And if you put

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this Money in at 18 or 19, you

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know, I know you may be older, but I'm just saying wherever

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you are in this, this pitch, you

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can get money out of the Roth after five years. You can take

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the principal out without

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taxes. So I tell people, this

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seems really unattainable right now, but

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let's say we have the market, housing come

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down by. You've been putting money away for 10

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years. We, we could take out 50 grand

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without any taxes to put down on a house.

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And uh, granted, obviously I'd like your money to

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grow, but the house should

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grow too. And, and that's. So I think the

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financial education of retirement accounts and

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the right type of retirement account is very critical.

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And a lot of people don't really know about the Roth like

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that, but, you know, that is a great thing to

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do is you can take the principal out without any issues

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and still the, the gains still grow.

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So I think that's another critical piece for

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everybody because if you put it in a regular

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IRA and you take it out, you're hit with like 30%

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taxes, right? And that's, that's, you know, that's

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not good.

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Um, and then I

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think really one of the most important things,

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and I is really at that young

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age is trying to share with them a

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vision of broadening what they

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may do. I grew up in a rural

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community, but at the same time, every

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weekend I spent it at my grandmother's in, in the

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city. So I had like two different,

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very like one, I'm playing by myself. There's

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no, there's no street lights, there's dirt

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roads. I'm running around. I got a goat and a

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dog, and you know what I mean? And then I go to

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my grandmother's and if 20 kids

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out in the middle of the street were playing football, so I had a

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really weird balance to that. And

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regardless of that, and you

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have these different groups of people, you want to

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give them insight as to, uh, there's things wider

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than their short little vision. And especially in

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high school, as you Mentioned. Oh, that's all they

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know. And once you get out of high school and

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if you go to college or whatever, until you really

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start to. You want to push them to look at 10

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different things. Because I didn't know I wanted to be this.

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But I started to see it clearly when I turned 30. And

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then I started to get into it because originally I was like, uh,

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I'm into math, and. And I'm quiet.

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And, uh, obviously I'm not quiet now,

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but by. I naturally did it. But a

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lot of people need their parents to

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help them, and I think the parents also need that, too.

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So I think that. And then talking about not only widening

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your vision financially,

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emotionally, professionally, but that's

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also for your friends, because the friends you have,

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you're. I mean, high school is so small, you know,

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you remember it. You used to. You saw. What did you

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teach?

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>> Anthony Weaver: Um, I taught, um, elementary. So I

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did first grade, third grade, seventh and

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eighth.

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>> William R. Young: Okay. Okay. Oh, wow. So, yeah,

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it's, um.

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They have so much hope. You want those kids when they're

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that young, to keep that energy. If there's a fourth,

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I would say keep that joyful energy

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because you need it, and you're going to really

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need to have it as we get older. Because

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life may seem hard at 17 and 18. It can get really

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hard as you get older because you got a mortgage to pay or

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bills to pay and stuff like that. So I think

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talking to them about a vision and to

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be happy, I think would be a third thing that's very important.

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I. I share that with my nieces who are 17 now

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and are twins, and because they don't go outside

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as much and they're on their phones a lot more,

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it's just a different generation, you know?

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah.

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>> William R. Young: And, um, they talk through Snapchat rather than

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picking up the phone.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. I. I'm more of a texter.

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>> William R. Young: Uh, yeah.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Because I grew up in era where you didn't have

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many minutes. Um, so, you know, the

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teacher, you have more text than you have minutes. And I used to hate

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when people used to leave voice messages because it'll take away a minute or

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however long that message was. I'm sure you remember those

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days.

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>> William R. Young: Well, I may be a little older. I. I had a pager

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that had an 800 number so I could check the

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voicemail.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Right.

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>> William R. Young: But then I needed a quarter to call them.

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I'd be like, when we come up with codes in the pager so

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that they could do it. And so I remember that. I

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was like, wow, I'M cool. They can get me.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Right.

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>> William R. Young: But I do remember the minutes too. I'm like, don't call

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me on my phone unless it's important. And after

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59 seconds, I'm hanging up.

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People will never understand that.

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Uh, I'm sorry, right.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Those unlimited minutes after 7:00.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah, yeah. Right. So you'd be like, all right, can you just

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call me at 7? That is funny. That would

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have been a great time to have the power of no.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah.

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>> William R. Young: You know what I mean?

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So you can do it. See, you could do it. We can all do

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it. Um, so, yeah,

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that, that is. I. We all have it for certain things. You're

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right. If we're waiting for a call,

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we'll. We'll not pick up the phone. We'll. We'll sit

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there. And I think that brings it back.

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I think maybe there's a fifth thing, the power of no teaching people.

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Be focused, but also keep your vision

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wide at certain times. And I think

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books are. Help you be

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inside the mind of other people

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and realize you're not alone in a world where

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oftentimes we feel alone because we're just seeing

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tiktoks or this and

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everybody's happy. Reading allows you to,

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to really be just

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engulfed in something. And, uh, so I'm a book

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reader. You, uh, know, and when I was young, it would have

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been the Bernstein bears or comic books,

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but now I read actual things. And it, Once you get good

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at reading, you actually start to like

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it more. And I think that's important. So

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that's a great question. There are some things we really should

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spread the word on what parents need to explain,

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and also for us to learn in that

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habit as well too.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. Um, and that's

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why I like the. This is the reason why I made the shift

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for my audience to be more in the Sandwich generation is

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because it's a, it's a flow. It's not like, hey, you're

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set like a Gen Z or Gen X, whatever they want to call

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these generations, but the

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Sandwich generation, everybody's going to have a kid at some point.

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If they don't, it's okay. But obviously you have

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parents that either you might be their caretaker for,

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or it may not be your biological parents, but the people

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who brought you up that you're going to be taken care of

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eventually. So how can you actually

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thrive in that environment and still find

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yourself without losing yourself, uh, through that

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emotional turmoil? Um, or

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like you say, the wave.

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>> William R. Young: Powerful.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. So, um, and that's the reason why I

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Like, having these conversations with different people, because it broadens my

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scope. And this reason why I like the podcast is

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it's a cheat code for me to get more information.

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>> William R. Young: It is. And you're. You're pulling out things for

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me that I have never talked about or shared.

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But I think one of the most important things in these

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conversations is that be vulnerable,

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because we. We're in this world together.

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We're brothers and sisters, all of us. And once

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we have the right attitude and you open up, I'm here

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for you. And we often.

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We often try to fit into a tribe, but the

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more broadening of your,

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you know, your world and being able to communicate like

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this over the phone allows us to see. There are so many

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people like us. We just didn't necessarily

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see them, because when we're walking down the street, we were

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the goth person or we were the skateboarder. Before it was

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cool, I was skateboarding when it was a crime. You know what I

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mean? We were getting chased everywhere.

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Um, now it's like, oh, of course they're skateboarding, and it's a big

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deal. Um, but

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it is important to have that perspective. That is

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very important.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah. So as we go through the.

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The third segment here, which is talking about the futures,

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um, what areas are you focusing on to

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improve your own life or career?

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>> William R. Young: My goal right now to improve

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is. Is writing a

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book. I want to put the things that have.

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That have taken my life and have

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used to transform

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me. And I think I hear this, and I don't know

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where I heard it from, but don't have a transactional life. Have a

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transformative life. And we have

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a chance to grow. And you see that like.

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Like flowers and palm. Palm trees continue to grow and

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get taller and taller and bigger and stronger. That's how we

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should be in life. And with

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the book, it's forced me to put down

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a lot of my words and then reorganize it.

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I. I have, like, a mental palace where I'm

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like, okay, let me organize this. And I write everything down.

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And, uh, I suggest this to everybody. I would use

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Evernote or the notes and say, Apple notes.

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And I've been doing that for about 20 years and writing things down,

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and I could see my growth. And that's one of the things

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I like to do, is go back and look

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at what I wrote. I'm like, oh, my God, did I write that? I

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must have written that in crayon. I must. Because

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I look at myself and say, God,

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how did I communicate? And I Think that's important because

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now I'm saying I can communicate better, and I've

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made growth, and maybe I'm not very good, but

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I'm vulnerable, and I share my vulnerabilities because I think

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it's important to

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continue to work on yourself, even if it's slow.

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When you climb upstairs and you go walk up, um,

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you know, a mountain, it's slow. You don't

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run up a mountain because you trip and fall, and then you wind,

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um, up. So life is like that. You're just climbing it slow.

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And with this book right now, it's. It's forcing me

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to really look at all the different things

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that have been in my mind, but then put them in a seamless

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order. And it is challenging. It really is,

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and it's fun. And I remember yesterday,

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I'm going through it with the person,

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and, like, we've had three drafts already on the

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outline, and it's hard.

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How do you fit things? But that is

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forcing me to grow.

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And do I have to do it? No. Do I want to do

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it? Uh, I'm not even sure sometimes when I'm doing

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it. But here's the one thing that I do know

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for a fact on this. When you're

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doing something, it may not be fun, but

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when you're done, accomplishment feels

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incredible. That's the

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trick. So I say to myself,

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I can get through this next hour and a half being on

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here looking like a fool because I don't know how this stuff

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works. And then I keep writing back and forth,

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and, um, I feel like I learned

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something. And yesterday, after I was done, I was like, oh, my

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head hurts. But I felt

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great because it was. We accomplished a much

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better version of the outline. And then we're going to have a fourth.

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But I actually felt like the first one was like, oh, my.

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Who wrote that? Was that even me? And. But.

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And I think I'm very. Being very vulnerable in it. So

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that's what I'm doing now because I want to express my difficult

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journey. Being on the spectrum, not being able to read

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people, um, not being vulnerable,

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not being. Not understanding emotions. You're really

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bringing out a lot of emotions in. And I think

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that's important because we need

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to have people give us feedback on our emotions, how we're

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feeling, and also understand how they're feeling. So at

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this stage, I'm always pushing myself to grow,

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and I'm always adding books outside of my

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normal study. I'm doing

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the, uh, History of the Bible by John Barton,

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which is kind of neat. And it's just the.

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Even though. Whether I'm not religious, but

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I like to learn about things and how things occurred.

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I'm doing the history by Howard Zinn

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of America, which doesn't teach you

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the stuff you hear in school. It teaches you the actual

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atrocities that happened. And is

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it pleasant? Not necessarily.

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But again, I'm listening to it because I want to have different

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perspectives of how things occurred. But, um, I will

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say one of the best books that I've ever listened to in my

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life is why Nations Fail,

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I think. And they won a Nobel laureate

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last year after it had been out for 12

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years, because they tell the real truth

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on what makes nations great. And so these are the

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types of things that I continue to work on

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and push myself so I can share these stories because I,

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I do believe we have to go

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through pain oftentimes, unfortunately, before

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we get to the, the, the

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pleasure, so to speak. It's just the way things are

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in life.

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>> Anthony Weaver: But it's going back to. Like you said, you have to have those vulnerable

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moments to kind of build that resilience

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because you put it out there. And if you would have kept

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it to yourself, how can you

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build that resilience and build your structure if

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you never put it out there in the first place? And so

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I, uh, commend you for, you know,

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putting yourself out there, and I just can't

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wait to read it. Whenever you fully find

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it, finalize the, the end products, because I'm sure

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it's going to be the bamboo of

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the, uh, of the book community.

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>> William R. Young: Well, I thank you for that and, and

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vulnerability. Once you share like, I made

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mistakes. I had negative bank accounts. I,

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I didn't, you know, but I worked on myself.

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And people go like, they appreciate that and they share

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their vulnerabilities. And that's where you get a real emotional

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connection. We've all made mistakes, but a lot of times

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we try to hide them as if we're perfect. That's why

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I keep this right here on me. If no

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one can see it, it's a blue morpho

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butterfly. Blue is not their

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actual color. Light gets trapped in there off the

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bones and refracts. So you see

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beautiful blue on the outside, but this is the inside of

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it.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Nice.

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>> William R. Young: And that's what people see. So I tell people, and

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this does catch people's eye, and

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I explain that to them.

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And I wound up having a great conversation coming back from

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Puerto Rico with a woman next to me who was from

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Arkansas. And

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she, she, her and her I guess she was chasing

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out her soon to be daughter in law to Puerto Rico for like

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a vacation with that.

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And she just opened up to me and shared so many things

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because I shared that and how, you know,

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I had struggles and reading people and doing things.

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And it was an uncomfortable

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four hour wait on the tarmac,

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but we really talked and, uh, we

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both left. Like, wow, we made a

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positive connection. We'll never see each other again.

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But she shared some things with me that I can now

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share with my clients about how

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her father

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had a, she had

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a stepmother that she didn't like essentially, and they didn't do

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the estate planning, uh, and she

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wouldn't do it. And she made a mess of everyone's life. And she's like,

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she hated me from the grave. That's why she did it on purpose.

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So that reminded me so much of why we have

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to plan. Because planning isn't

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always just about you either. It's about the people you

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love and that we got to

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the heart of the story. If you love somebody, you do the

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right thing. And so that's why

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planning is so. And I have these comments. I'm like, I got to get your

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estate plan. You care about these people, then you need

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to do it. And that's the

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vulnerable nature of having these conversations. So I wound

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up having a great conversation. I'll never see you again. We opened up

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to each other and, uh, I felt

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like I had growth out of

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that. Just sitting on a plane in a horrible

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situation and yeah, that was another layer of

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bamboo. Now I'm 21ft.

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We're growing fast.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yes, sir.

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All right, so is there anything that you want to leave the

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audience with before we go to the final four questions?

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>> William R. Young: I want people to really take time to

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sit down and, and get some type of

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journal on their phone. I know it's easier. You can do

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paper or journal and start to write down your thoughts.

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Once you start to do that every day and develop that habit, you'll

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start to actually just come up with things. And oftentimes

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you can ask these journals today to come up with

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question to ask you that. That is the first

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step in changing everything. That's

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mental health, financial health,

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physical health are all tied together.

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They're all tied together. You can't. You might be

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running well and doing stuff like that, but if you don't have mental health

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and financial health, it will weigh on your physical

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health. And that's. I think the number one thing is

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journaling. And it'll say what is,

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what was Your favorite part about college. And now I'm

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having to think about it. It didn't ask me what college I went

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to. It was a question. I'm thinking, God, there were

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so many. And now, um. You know what I mean? That's a better

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question.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah.

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>> William R. Young: What's the best part of your neighborhood? I didn't ask you where you

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lived. You know, what transformed you so? It's these

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little tiny questions that get you to think. So that's. That's what

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I'd leave it. Because it all stems. Once you change

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your attitude, your attitude changes. You

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will see the world with the lights on.

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And that's important.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Right?

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>> William R. Young: And we all battle darkness

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every day. Every day, yes.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Um, so you ready for the final Four?

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>> William R. Young: I am. Let's do it.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Alrighty.

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First question. What does wealth mean to

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you?

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>> William R. Young: Wealth, to me, that definition

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is important. And Socrates talks about that, because we all

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have different definitions for. For words. Wealth

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to me means I'm able to

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not have to have income from anybody else and live

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a life where my assets

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maintain my life. I can do my charitable work.

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I rescued orangutans in Borneo. I can

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donate to them. I can. I

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was going to go to Laos this year to help the

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elephants. Um, so the wealth to me

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allows me to do things and travel to help

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animal charities. And then also I went to Honduras to

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help kids who were orphaned from the drug wars and

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AIDS there. That's the type. Wealth gives me the

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financial freedom to do the things that I want to

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do because I'm more than work and I believe we

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need to give back. And. And that gives us

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the power and the money. There's, uh, a. A

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thing that I. That is crazy,

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but George Clooney started a,

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uh. What is it? Alcohol company. A

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tequila company?

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>> Anthony Weaver: I think so, yeah.

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>> William R. Young: And the reason I'm telling you this is

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he sold it for a billion dollars. And his wife

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is a human rights lawyer. And they were always

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running around trying to get donations

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to get help. And he said, once I got

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that billion, uh, I don't ask for help anymore.

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I can do the things that I want. And it's

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unlimited money. That's what wealth is. It's being to do the

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things you want in life without having someone

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else determine what you can

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and can't do. You don't need a billion dollars

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because you're not probably running around saving people's lives

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and all these other countries like she does. But

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that's what wealth is to me, is complete independence

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to live the life you want and help the people you care

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about.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yep. Um, just so

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to kind of, like, fact check, I guess, to make

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sure we're getting everything together. Uh, I just googled it right quick.

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It is, uh, he co founded a tequila

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company, Casamigos. That's what.

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>> William R. Young: Yes.

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>> Anthony Weaver: And, um, sold it for a billion dollars in 2017.

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Man, that is. Wow.

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>> William R. Young: And so, yeah, now he didn't

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have someone give him an agenda to his wife

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saying, you can help those people, but you can't help

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these people. Now he has the independence to

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not have donors tell him. And that's what I mean. For ourselves. If I

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want to help somebody, I'm not taking donations from

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somebody. I can do it myself. So I can set up stuff like

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that, because donors can say, I don't want

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you to do this. That's what it means to me, where

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you don't have someone's control over you.

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>> Anthony Weaver: I like that.

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>> William R. Young: Um, Casamigos. Yes. A billion. Isn't that crazy?

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>> Anthony Weaver: That's is crazy. I was like, I don't even drink Casamigos. I

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heard about it, but I don't drink it. Interesting.

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>> William R. Young: Not a bad payday. So that's why he can do

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whatever he wants now. And that was one of the problems he mentioned,

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is we do these dinners, and they're like, but I don't want you doing this. And.

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And, you know, that's like, my job is to help people.

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And to me, that resonates with me. I don't need $1

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billion, but I do need the

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financial independence. And that's what wealth means to

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me, is living the life I want to

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live. And I'm not somebody that spends a lot of money.

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I've stayed at hostels with surfers, and when I was

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in Borneo, I was sleeping on people's

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porches. You know, I'm 50. I was 51 at the time.

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Sleeping on people's porches. It's 125 degrees

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out. That. That's not wealth to me. Wealth to

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me was being in the journey and knowing, you know, I could

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afford it and I could make donations and stuff like

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that. It was a hot vacation.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Uh, number two, what was your worst

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money mistake?

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>> William R. Young: Well, that's an easy one. Um, in

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2008, I was on top of the

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world. I just. I was top in

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sales at this company with my. With my

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business partner, and

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I didn't understand

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irrational exuberance. I was a young

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man. My account went up, like,

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164 in one year.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Wow.

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>> William R. Young: Crazy. But I didn't really know what I was doing. And

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that's why I want to share this and I tell people this

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and that's why I'm more cautious.

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In one week without really

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understanding it. When that, um, Lehman

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Brothers hedge fund blew up,

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they had to liquidate everything. And that's what was happening

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yesterday. There was margin

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calls on, um, big companies. And

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then it's like a black hole. It just sucks

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everything in. And I lost like 80%

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of my wealth in a week because

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I didn't understand it, that it could just

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happen. And it, that's what, that's what these margin.

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So the markets, when they do that, it's. How would

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I have known that? Now I share that story. It's like, this is why you

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need to have capital on the side. This is why you need to do certain

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things, because you can have. Now

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granted, you know, I still, maybe I was up 8%

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after that, but I was, I kind of got a windfall

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and I didn't understand what was happening

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globally. Now I understand all that. And that

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was, I mean, that was painful to

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lose six figures in five

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days. And I didn't understand

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it. It took, you know, it took years to make and then

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was gone in five days.

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>> Anthony Weaver: M& M. I'm sure a lot of people are feeling that right

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now, the way. How things going.

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>> William R. Young: Yes. And you know, when

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that. Dave Portnoy, I don't know what he owns, but I'm

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sure he probably takes very aggressive stocks,

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have certain stocks down 30, 40,

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50% in just a matter of a week or two.

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And that's where you're not managing your

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risk and understanding what you're doing.

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If, like, I have a lot of people with 30, 35%

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in cash on the side, even my sister, like, I put

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25% of her money in cash and,

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and I'm not recommending this. I got to be crystal

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clear and 25% in Berkshire Hathaway, which is

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essentially a large cash position.

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And like, yeah, a bunch of our stocks went down

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like 40%, but we have all this cash and

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to me, she can go shopping. Uh, we,

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I'll take her shopping and say, what do we want to buy at a

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discount? Because you're getting these margin

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calls on a company and they have to liquidate, so things

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just fall down so quick, they'll rebound

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back, but I want to be able to buy them

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when those things happen. So I don't time the

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market. I look for the opportunity.

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And then when it's opportunity happens,

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I get the right board and I get

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the right, you know, and I swim out and paddle and I get on the right

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waves because I waited patiently for that. That's

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the mistake people often make is they're always in a rush

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because they have this group think or

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this. This urge to try to make the money back

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quickly. Don't do that. That is a powerful

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thing. And I didn't understand. So I, uh, you know, I was there, like, how

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do I make this back? And there was no way to make it back

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because Lehman Brothers went under and then Bear

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Stearns. And like, if you remember, like, the world

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was going under. Literally at that time. They

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were meeting, saying, uh, we had Wells

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Fargo, um, by

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Washington Mutual, which was the fourth largest bank.

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So I got the Wachovia, which was the third largest bank, went

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under, like. Like, you're talking literally the

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biggest banks in the world. And they just disappeared overnight.

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So, again, that was when I got crushed.

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Now, I'm very good at what I do, and I try to share people

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that you can lose it all very quickly right now. And I

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would be very, very cautious about what you

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do.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Okay.

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>> William R. Young: You don't want to start over, so.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Well, yeah. To make sure you put some of it in cash.

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Um, okay, so

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question three. Is there a book that inspired your

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journey or changed your perspective?

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>> William R. Young: There is a book written by

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a wonderful, wonderful writer.

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It's called the Undoing Project. That

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was the first time in a book

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I felt like the person he was

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writing about. I believe it's Michael Lewis,

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very famous authority. And I've read

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that book nine times.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Wow.

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>> William R. Young: And there was a point where they were

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talking of, uh, it's.

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It's crazy. It talks about Daniel

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Kahneman. He was born in Israel. His dad moved over

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to France to be the top

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scientist, top chemist

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for a major,

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um, beauty company. And it talks about

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that dichotomy of people where

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his dad's best friend and the owner of the company was a

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Nazi, but then his dad was a Jew. It.

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But. And he. And

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even though he was a Nazi sympathizer, he

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saved Daniel Kahneman's father from

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Auschwitz because he was a friend of

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him. So what? That's when people say, I, oh,

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I have a black friend, or I have an Asian friend, whatever. It

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doesn't mean you're not doing racial stereotypes and stuff.

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Like, it just. He had a connection to him

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and he saved his life, even though he was okay with everybody

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else. And then, you know, talks about

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Kahneman going through all this stuff, and then to go to

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Israel at, uh, 20 years of age,

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become the lead psychologist,

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and he created A system that everybody uses

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today for the military psychology. But

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the journey of Daniel story in that

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resonated with me. Like he, he said, I feel different.

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I don't feel like other kids. And that's how I

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felt. And when I joined this social EDS group,

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I met other people that felt that way.

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And that just tells you we're not alone. We just

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haven't found our tribe yet. And that

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allowed me to keep searching for my tribe, which

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the social edge group with Blake Eastman. He's put this

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together and uh, we have these three way calls or two way

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calls, and you start to go, oh my lord, we're

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so similar. But we would never connect with each

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other. So that book led me

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to this point where Daniel

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Kahneman wasn't very talkative. His partner

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Amos Tversky was. But after about 20

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years, he became talkative and he became.

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And that's how I felt. So like deep

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inside, like if I had an idol,

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he. He brought out the best in me

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because he allowed me heuristic spices,

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fallacies, effects and illusions. And he created the

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actual. He created

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behavioral economics in behavioral

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finance. He is the founder of that. And so that

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resonates with me. And that has changed my life and made me

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search for all of the emotions that were

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hidden because of being who I

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was.

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>> Anthony Weaver: I mean, to read that book.

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>> William R. Young: Oh, it is. When, when you read

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it, Daniel Kahneman essentially is the one that created

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Moneyball and all that, uh, everything's based off of him. When you read

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that, you will say, I can't

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even believe it. You, you will be

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stunned. And there was a point where Daniel

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Kahneman was picked up by a Nazi soldier and

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he was 10 years old. And he goes, he thought he

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was dead. He had the mark on him that the guy knew he was a

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Nazi or knew he was Jewish and

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he thought he was dead. Picks him up, gives him

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candy, gives him money, and then shows a

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picture to Daniel

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of his son. And Daniel

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looked like his son. And because

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he looked like his son, he let him go.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Wow.

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>> William R. Young: And that's where he was like,

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that's confusing because he's killing all these

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people. What happened to his. But because

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he looked like his son, he gave him candy and money.

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And he's like, it just made me so

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confused. And that's how we all are.

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We're all confused and complex. And once you

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start to realize that, you can dig deeper into yourself.

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Books are important and you know, why

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nations fail. In the Undoing Project are two of the most powerful

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books because they're Basically, they're

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the. The seeds of the plants that grow in our

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mind. And then, like.

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>> Anthony Weaver: I love it.

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>> William R. Young: Yeah, no, I love it, too, because, you know, you're right.

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It. Because you can envision the plants, your mind

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growing, and that's. That's what's happening.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Yeah.

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Number four.

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>> William R. Young: Okay.

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>> Anthony Weaver: What is your favorite dish to make?

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>> William R. Young: I'm not a huge cooker. Um,

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but when I do, I eat salads,

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I. I pretty much. I cook

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chicken or salmon,

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and I put it on salad, and

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I always get the romaine. I put some

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of the Romano cheese and croutons,

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and believe it or not, I eat it plain. Because

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if you cook the chicken, I know everyone thinks I'm

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crazy.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Okay.

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>> William R. Young: But when the salmon's cooked right, my stepfather does this

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for me all the time. He cooks for me when I come over, and he's going to do

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it today, but he does it for me. And I say, no

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dressing. Because the. The way if you cook things right

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and you put some seasoning on the salmon, it drips

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on everything, and it adds moisture. And then you're actually tasting the

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salmon in the salad. So that's

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actually a salmon salad is my favorite. That's

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absolute, like, salmon on just kind of plain stuff with a little

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cheese, a little Romano. Because if you don't put dressing on it, you

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actually taste the food. And salmon

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cooked well, or chicken cooked well, but not dry

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chicken, but juicy. It's

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flavorful, and you never taste it with the

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dressing. And when you're sitting there eating it and it's kind of the. The

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oils from it are all in it. You're getting oil in your

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salad. You're just getting it from the salmon. And

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salmon is just a phenomenal, phenomenal.

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So that's what I look forward to every week. And he makes it for me. And I.

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I get this giant plate, and I feel like a king. I'm like,

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thank you so much. I feel like I'm

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king.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Right.

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>> William R. Young: Um, that. That's my favorite dish, the salmon

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salad.

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>> Anthony Weaver: I like that.

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Well, this is the last question of the show. Um,

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and I, um, mean, I feel like I could talk to you for hours

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here, um, even though it's already been like,

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an hour and a half. But it's okay, though.

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Um, which is where could people find

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out more about you?

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>> William R. Young: You have to Google me. I'm not technically allowed to say.

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The firm I. I'm affiliated with. I'm Will

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R. Young. Um, if you want,

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I do financial planning. I've been in this business

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for 21 years. It's personal with

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me or my team. If you work with me or someone

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on my team, you have a personal relationship with

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someone who cares about you. We become integrated with

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your family. You know, I've seen kids

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grow up, get to adulthood and help them.

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That is one of the greatest things is being connected with

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people for 20 years and seeing their kids grow up and

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helping their kids and having

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that relationship. It's not transactional.

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I'm fee based advisor and they know that

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and we're growing together and if

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just google me well our young

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or duck duck go or chat gbt it'll pull

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me up. And the number one thing I want to do with

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everybody is come up with a financial plan. I want to

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figure out your goals.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Goals.

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>> William R. Young: Write your goals so you have a vision and it's okay to

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change it. And especially if you had it. One of the

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mistakes in that when you're looking for me is I'm

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going to make sure that you never feel

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embarrassed by whatever your goals are and share

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those goals and you know, so look for me.

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You can find me quite easily. I'll pull up. I got some

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press releases coming out on on behavioral

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psychology and finance and my websites. Will

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will r young.com awesome.

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>> Anthony Weaver: Uh, thank you. Well, thank you so

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much for your time. This has been a pleasure. And

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the uh, person that's listening to this, if you actually found

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this important and found

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anything that you feel as though

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has been an impact to your life, I want you to go ahead on and

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subscribe to the show if you're new here. Um, and if

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you're not new here, you found this information viable to

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somebody else in their journey and just don't know where to

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go. I think this will be a great episode to start

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them off with so that they can figure out their

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lives, figure out themselves while they in a place of darkness with

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their finances right now. So thank you so much

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for listening and you all have a good day.

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>> William R. Young: Thank you.

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